what are beginner's mistakes?

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#1 9 March, 2016 - 18:12
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what are beginner's mistakes?


hey everybody
can you give me some beginner mistakes on how to use memory techniques to avoid it
please help me

10 March, 2016 - 01:22
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Have you read the resources in the Beginners Portal yet?

10 March, 2016 - 08:16
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yes I read it but I think that there is some mistakes that I am doing but I don t know them

10 March, 2016 - 17:17
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If you post specific examples, we could offer suggestions. What did you try, and where did you get stuck?

11 March, 2016 - 05:44
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The truth is that you can't make mistakes when exploring and experimenting with mnemonics. Here's what to do instead:

1. Learn techniques and constantly read about different approaches.

2. Apply the techniques.

3. Track your results.

4. Make modifications based on the results to maximize efficiency and outcomes.

5. Teach others what you've learned along the way.

I can't think of a finer way to practice the art of memory.

11 March, 2016 - 10:40
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The truth is that you can't make mistakes when exploring and experimenting with mnemonics.

Great advice. Just go for it and make mistakes. The more painful the mistake, the more memorable the lesson will be. :)

25 May, 2017 - 07:52
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For me, it's using 'big guns' right away. (loci, etc). They are perfectly usefull, but to use them at their full potential, you have to train in synesthesia (creating 3D moving scenes implying more than simple images).
(Find my other posts if you want to hear about 'my' synesthesia system training. It's not difficult.)

I beguin with the Locci, then PAO. But it recquires much more effort if you don't use synesthesia fluently.

Spending a little time training with simple things saves a LOT of times at the end of the day/month.

25 May, 2017 - 12:55
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For me, it's using 'big guns' right away. (loci, etc). They are perfectly usefull, but to use them at their full potential, you have to train in synesthesia (creating 3D moving scenes implying more than simple images).
(Find my other posts if you want to hear about 'my' synesthesia system training. It's not difficult.)

I beguin with the Locci, then PAO. But it recquires much more effort if you don't use synesthesia fluently.

Spending a little time training with simple things saves a LOT of times at the end of the day/month.

As far as I know the top memory competitors do just fine without artificial synesthesia. True, memory competition is different than regular learning but I don't see a real reason to learn it. I do just fine without it, the MoL was applicable and useful immediately for me and I am getting steady improvements, both right after I learned it and now. Could you give me some concrete reasons why I should learn synesthesia? Convince me.

25 May, 2017 - 17:36
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As far as i know, most gifted memory user have natural synesthesia , or develloped some of a kind.
Loci is perfect to remember something you understand already well, or to take note of simple object.

But where you are confronted with 'new' or abstract things, it's somewhat difficult for most, it requires greater efforts, and there is often a lot of'noise' in the info you try to stock.

Example: can you memorise this list in 2 minutes ?
They were general secretariies in the UN.

Trygbve lie
Dag Hammarjskjöld
U Thant
Kurt Valdein
Javier Perez de Cuellard
Boutros Boutros Ghalli
Kofi Annan
Ban ki Moon

With synesthesia+loci, it's easy. It took me two minutes. And i'm sure than a trained mnemonist can do it in a few seconds.

I don't say that synesthesia is better than any other system. I say that synesthesia is the enhancer of any system i know.
It' s a multi purpose tool.

There is two basics condition that any system use
1. Link to what is already known
2. Making it vivid, strike full, memorable.
Synesthesia do it both. The scenes it creates makes it easy to remember.

When i go to the slot of my memory palace where Kofe Annan is, i smell coffee, i ear a jackass braying, (an ass sound likes the noun 'Annan' in french),so i see a black dude with a vial of anthrax...

There are so many links, each one leading to another. How could i forget that item ?

That's what synesthesia can do for you, with few weeks of training. And that doesn't interfere with learning any method.
I love the Loci system.

25 May, 2017 - 22:12
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? What do you think synesthesia means? I feel like we may not have the same definition.

26 May, 2017 - 03:23
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I started with loci and pao right away.... worse even, my first palace had 60 loci, and I started with a full 00-99 PAO that I used for cards as well.

26 May, 2017 - 04:08
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Synesthesia is when you associate your senses in a perception, volontarily or not. One perception can trigger another, or several others.

The best example for this matter in the memory community is the famous case studied by Luria
https://bgoodscience.wordpress.com/2011/02/25/neuroscience-cases-the-man...

You can use this 'externally' to make your lessons easier to learn (using colors, space, drawings, using music) and/or 'internally' by Learning to 'code' your informations with 'ghosts senses'.

I give you another exemple, and another mistake.

I discovered Loci in a very small book, with few explanations, but practical examples. I used the same memory palace for EVERY info i wanted to memorize. I memorize 2000 pages likes that fo my master degree.

I used to code everything visualy, with a track of diffenrent color for each matter. it was clever... but not so much. There was few links (my items were static and visual) and lots of 'noise' (plus it became difficult to move in the palace, witjout trigering links i didn't searched for.

Now, i would devellop a mental palace for each matter, and code each 'slot' with synesthetic scènes. Much easier to recover any info, and quicker to. And it doesn't take so much time to built all that.

26 May, 2017 - 08:54
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Isn't that really the same thing as what I already do, putting dynamic, vivid images in my memory place?

26 May, 2017 - 10:11
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I can't answer that; I'm not in your head.

I can only answer about the beguiners i know, and from my own 'tried-and-missed' approach.

If you remember my text above, you remeber that i say that most high level mnemonist seems to have some kind of synesthetic ability.

But everybody doesn't have that trait. I know lots of people with difficulties to visualize the simplest 2D forms.

It seems to me that putting some time into develloping it - and Learning to control it- is a good idea. Especially for beguiners.

It doesn't take much time, and it's easy.

If you do'nt need it, because you already have access to the ability to built complex multi sensorial moving scenes : good for you !

I just think, from experience, that it might help most people.

26 May, 2017 - 14:56
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I just don't think that's synesthesia but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Really in my experience with beginners, they are able to create the kind of scenes you are talking about just by practicing the method of loci and as you said, it's easy and doesn't take a long time.

Edit: To clarify, I think synesthesia is where some senses are linked to others in a strong and involuntary way. Your article mentions the person has several types of synesthesia and that he saw "she answered in such a tone that a whole pile of coals, of black cinders, came bursting out of her mouth" I don't think trained menemonists have any of these kinds of situations at all, all they do is put vivid images in memory palaces very quickly and use their exceptionally trained visual memory to recall them afterwards.

26 May, 2017 - 18:52
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The lubia case is about a man who have a pathological memory. It's still interesting. I don't defend the idea that everybody should aim that.
By the way, focusing on vivid details, creating moving images... is a kind of synesthesia use.

I memorize 2000 pages of personal notes for my Master Degree with the loci system, basic images and symbols. (i was a beguiner in memorisation)

It worked quite well. I have NOTHING against the Loci system.

I just find that some synesthetic training makes it easier (for me), somewhat smoother, plus it helps to summarise informations before encoding them.

Sure, to remember a deck of card, it's not so much usefull.

But when i have to encode subjects that are new to me, that i don't fully understand yet, that i'm not prepared to deal with.... it's freakingly usefull.

And it's usefull for subject that are not directly related to memory. (creative thinking, mathematics, plan making...)

It's not the Holly grail. It's not the best way to memorize by itself. It's not even a system.

But if i'm right about the half of it, maybe some attention should be put on it.

So, that's my experience, my opinion. You're perfectly right to have yours.

Now, it's time to let the public have his own.

27 May, 2017 - 11:03
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I can tell you one of my mistakes: Insufficient Review

It's a big time waste to memorize something and then not review it. Sometimes reviewing a list after a long period has been as much work as memorizing it the first time. Figure out a good review routine, stick with it, and don't memorize so much that you do not have time to review. Move on to something else once the first sets of facts you want to keep with you are safely and surely in your long-term memory.

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