The importance of remembering what others remember

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#1 4 May, 2016 - 02:04
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The importance of remembering what others remember

The title might be confusing, but I will explain in just a sec! This is something I want to hear your opinions about as you all value memories, so I wondered what you thought of this.

In my country, the netherlands, there is an adolescant girl who seemingly hates every single tradition we have because they are "white traditions" (though she does say that no one has the right to change "black traditions", because.... racial equality? Story for another time maybe)

Today, the fourth or may, is the day on which we remember those fallen to the second world war. Soldiers and innocent victims alike. We remember those that fell on the road towards our freedom. I think most countries have similar days. The fifth of may we celebrate our freedom, we stop to think and value our freedom. This is seemingly also a "white tradition", at least according to the girl I mentioned, while in reality we also allow every other culture to have their day of remembering the fallen of their country.

So the girl in question said that it has to stop. We have to stop remembering the people whose lifes were lost in the second world war. What shocks me, is that some people agree with her, especially the younger people. They all no longer want to remember the fallen (which is actually just 2 minutes of silence, such a big deal...) while still celebrating the freedom we got.

So I ask you mnemonics, what is your opinion on matters like this? Do modern generations need to remember those events, or do we all have to forget?

4 May, 2016 - 17:21
Joined: 5 years 6 months ago

You bring up a interesting topic but the solution (I guess you can call it that) is very simple.

Of course we need to remember the people who have fallen and the events that happen. Because with our these events and people, you wouldn't even exist. The people in WW2 fought for the freedom of their country and to ensure their country will survive. Also, the innocent victims were forced into the situation and their deaths are a reminder of the freedom we have and that we are not forced (for the most part) into horrible situations. Anyone who doesn't care or think you should honor the fallen are jerks (a nice way to put it). That's a fact and cannot be argued. But most people who honor the fallen or their freedom are also jerks.

Let's take May 4th, People give their 2 minutes of silence to respect the fallen. There might even be news about it and an event to celebrate the fallen and your freedom. But after may 4 or 5 people (or whatever day it may be) don't even think about their freedom or the fallen until the next year. This happens with 9/11. People always talk about it on the day and where they were. but after 9/11 you don't hear people talk about it or anything really unless it is some how relevant to what is happening.

So what we have here are people acting like the honor and respect the fallen or their freedom while the reality is they couldn't care less about it. They are putting on a facade to show people they care about their freedom and the fallen. They just want to be viewed in a good light in society. They want the moral high ground. So at the end these people who "honor" the fallen or their freedom are just as bad as people who don't honor the fallen or freedom.

You shouldn't need specific historical day or event to make you remember and honor the fallen or your freedom. You should honor , respect, and celebrate the fallen and your freedom do that at a daily basis. Take 10 seconds just to acknowledge this. I do this every time I wake up. It was a habit I had to learn but one I thought was important enough to do. And shame on people who won't do this because its hard to do it everyday or takes to much time because these people can get on Facebook or YouTube and waste minutes even hours on useless crap every single day. Either show it everyday you honor and respect the fallen and your freedom or don't do it at all. That easy.

At the end of the day, the people who don't care about the fallen or freedom are horrible but they are better than the people who pretend to care about the fallen or freedom. This idea extends to pretty much any aspect of life not just what you are referencing. Even though I disagree with this girl (who makes no sense but whatever) I at least respect her for showing and standing up for what she believes even though it is wrong. It's better to have one face than to be a two face.

4 May, 2016 - 22:53
Joined: 4 years 5 months ago

My traditions are not "white traditions" just because I am white, any more than my my traditions are "bald traditions" just because I am bald.

As far as history goes, learning and remembering history has taught me inclusiveness, and it has taught me to try to learn good from the good things that were done in the past and to refrain from evil by learning about the evil things that were done in the past--whether by people from my racial group, or any other.

In general, I do not make heroes of historical figures, but I do honor and respect the extreme courage of the soldiers who risked and sacrificed their lives in WWII. What they did required incredible courage.

In my opinion, we should especially honor them because without their efforts, we would likely be living in a world infinitely less tolerant than it is today. We would be living in a culture where the idea of racial purity would dominate all thought. In such a horrific world, your adolescent friend would not be allowed to believe and say whatever she might choose. At best, she would only be permitted to do and say what she was told to do and say. And, she should happen to be from the "wrong" race, she might have been enslaved, or not allowed to live at all. The men and women I honor helped bring an end to that horror, through their own struggle and sacrifice.

Should we remember and honor those events and the people who struggled to change them? Yes, absolutely. Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it.



16 June, 2016 - 16:43
Joined: 1 year 4 months ago

teenagers can be depended on to do whatever it takes to piss off the adults. it's part of the process. when I was a teenager I knew it all and and used my wisdom to scold people twice and three times my age. I've never since been as sure of myself as I was back then.

9 July, 2016 - 05:30
Joined: 5 years 9 months ago

Can we remember WW1? I was born long after it ended and it is the same for most people on this forum. Do my memories precede my birth? I think it can be fairly argued that we can't forget about WW1 because we have never been exposed to it. So, to worry about forgetting it sounds a bit like a joke to me.

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