Granth Thakkar's world record for 20 digit multiplication

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#1 16 August, 2017 - 03:32
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Granth Thakkar's world record for 20 digit multiplication


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Does anybody know what system Granth Thakkar uses? I saw a video of him (or perhaps it was a similar competitor) doing 20 x 20 multiplication in his head. In the video, however, he looked at the numbers for reference, and he wrote down numbers as they were computed.

First of all, it is a fantastic feat.
I think you mean this video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bU0kRBG9hm4

What he does is the criss cross method. From right to left.
A good explanation of this system is found here: http://www.sapnaedu.in/multiply-any-4-digit-numbers/

He uses his fingers to keep track of where he is.
You see the same thing happening in the crosses in the previous link:
http://www.sapnaedu.in/wp-content/uploads/criss-cross_41-567x1024.png

The dots outside the cross in each step do not have any function and that is why Granth is hiding them with his fingers.

If you want to be able to calculate this way from left to right, without using fingers, looking at a screen, or writing sub totals down, start small.

Start by doing a lot of 2x2's daily.

Since you said that you wanted to memorize the squares from 16 and higher, just do this. In your mind square 16 by using the criss cross method.

So try to see:
16
16
__*

Then do 10*10, 6*1+6*1, 6*6 = 100 + 120 + 36 = 256

Then, once you feel proficient with the 2x2's, move to 3x3's.
If you can do a 3x3 mentally you can do more than most humans.

20 August, 2017 - 13:42
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Thank you for the post! I'm going to try to work up to 3x3's with the criss cross method. Quick question: Do you know what he uses for square roots? Is it the Doerfler method?

21 August, 2017 - 02:18
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When you do, check out this post: https://artofmemory.com/forums/avoiding-the-carry-5494.html
The basic idea is that sometimes it is better to see 69 as 70 - 1 instead of 60 + 9 (which is how you would pronounce it).

Some criss cross calculation become a lot easier to do this way.

21 August, 2017 - 02:39
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Do you know what he uses for square roots? Is it the Doerfler method?

I don't know. Maybe Nodas, who does go to the mental calculation championships, knows.

In general, to be very fast at taking roots, you need an algorithm when the remainder does not grow quickly.

The algorithm that used to be taught in high school:
http://www.homeschoolmath.net/teaching/square-root-algorithm.php
is an example of an algorithm where the remainder grows, and grows, and grows.
For that reason it is unsuitable for calculating with 8 significant digits as you need to be able to do in championships.

When step can to be calculated quickly and the remainder stays small, then you can be quick.

Granth can do 10 roots in just over 1 minute: http://www.recordholders.org/en/list/roots.html
and this is pretty amazing.

21 August, 2017 - 10:57
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Thanks again, Kinma. You've taken a lot of time to explain things to me and I really appreciate it. :)

21 August, 2017 - 20:40
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Hi all. Kinma suggested that I reply to this topic.

Firstly, I am the one who recorded that video of Granth doing the 20x20 correctly, in Germany. Later, I put those videos my "MentalCalculation1" channel in Youtube, just for the Dresden MCWC 2014 World Cup. I don't think I'll put many videos there soon, since I'm doing some kind of rebranding. Anyway, I recorded that particular video of Granth, on 12 Oct. 2014, in the "Holidays Inn" Hotel in Dresden, Germany. I was recording Granth during his official trial and I witnessed him solving correctly the whole 20x20 multiplication thing in less than 3 minutes. Yusnier Viera, Silke Betten, Jan Van Koningsveld, Melik Duyar and Scott Flansburg, were also present in the room in this official trial. (along with Rhea Shah who broke the 10-digit Roots record). Scott Flansburg was so ecstatic about Granth, that he told us "If I am the Human Calculator, then Granth is the Machine Calculator himself" !!. But unfortunately, neither Granth nor Rhea competed in 2016. That's was a shame because I was really interested to see how the Top Indians would fare against the Top Japanese and Mrs. Lee from S.Korea. The Indians in 2016, besides Calendars, did not really win many golds, because of these 2 extremely important absences of Granth and Rhea.

About the square root method, since I have been a Memoriad medalist on roots almost 5 years ago in 2012, I'd just like to mention that I quickly learned Rob Fountain's, Jan V.K.'s, and Willem Bouman's method, just after MCWC-2010 and in 1 year I saw and I was really efficient in it. I won't mention the algorithm, here, because it's already posted numerous times in the YAHOO's MC group. Just search through the posts there from 2010 to 2012. And everyone does his own shortcuts, which are kind of a personal effort, like learning the 1000 squares or something. Talent is not enough. It needs willingness to train.

About Granth, Rhea and the Indians, they use the "Duplex Method" which is far more efficient than ours, but to each his own. Personally, I stopped training so much in square roots, because I had to devote my time to become better at Calendar calculation where I had many more chances to reach the Top. In roots, in competitions I just try to keep up with the level I am now. It's hard to improve much more, at my level, unless I switch to the Duplex method, and I am not really into mood for that right now, because it's a whole different thing and needs to re-tame another mental beast. And the World Records in both roots and calendars are now so high, where there is very little human room for substantial improvement.

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Nodas, Greece

25 August, 2017 - 13:33
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Thank you so much for your post, Nodas. It was very informative.

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Talent is not enough. It needs willingness to train.

This seems to hold true for many things. I was recently talking to somebody about the piano. I was explaining how talent alone isn't enough. You need a lot of practice. The same goes for engineering. Tesla, for instance, was naturally brilliant, but he still had to study for obscene lengths of time to achieve what he did (If I recall correctly, he reportedly studied up to 15 hours/day.).

10 June, 2018 - 12:10
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About Granth, Rhea and the Indians, they use the "Duplex Method" which is far more efficient than ours

Hi! Could tou please tell me the difference between the Duplex Method and the general Square root algorithm used by yourself and Jan van Koningsveld? I learned in the MC Group the general algorithm, and have been practising for some time. My personal record is 5 and a half minutes to solve 10 tasks of 6 numbers each. But I would definetely change the method, if that meant increasing speed.

Sorry if my english isn't good...I'm from Brazil!

Daniel Castro

10 June, 2018 - 15:52
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Could tou please tell me the difference between the Duplex Method and the general Square root algorithm used by yourself and Jan van Koningsveld?

In the "general method" you start from the nearest perfect 3-digit square, so you get the first 3 integer digits instantly. After that you divide with the first 2 digits, subtracting the cross-products and so on.

But in the Duplex method you just start from the first 2 digits and then divide by 1-digit only. At a first glance , this seems easier, but the subtracted cross-products are longer and more complicated and it's easier to miss the 8th digit and lose everything.

There are some shortcuts in the Duplex though, and I think the best in the world (Granth, Shashank and Rhea and many of the "Genius kid" Mumbai team), have already memorized many tables with the first 3-4 digits, so sometimes they can solve the whole 8 digits in less than 6 seconds, in each task. I will compete against Granth soon in the Mental Calculation World Cup 2018 this year, but these things are kinda secret for each top-competitor, so it's hard to ask them about "what root tables have they exactly memorized".

About the Duplex, you can see roughly how it works, from my photograph from MCWC 2010. I was not so efficient back then, so my friend Arturo Mendoza from Peru was explaining the Duplex in that paper to me, because I wanted to start solving all 8-digits. But then during 2012 I decided to skip that Duplex so I started practising with the other "general algorithm" (Jan/ Willem/ Robert's), because in practice I was more accurate with that. In Memoriad '12, using that general method and I was able to solve all 10 correct, and thankfully for me, all the best root-solvers in the world, Jan, Hakan, Naofumi, Rhea, and Granth, were all out of shape that day and they made mistakes, so I got my 2nd place.

But the MCWC competition now has tougher rules for the square roots. If you lose the 8th digit then you lose everything, for example if you solve 6 digits like you said, then you get 0 points according to the official MCWC rules and not 21 points like in the Memoriad program, for 6 digits respectively.

10 June, 2018 - 15:20
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Thanks for your explanation! I think i wasn't clear. I solve 10 Square roots of 6-digit numbers for all 8 digits.

I was using a 2 digit estimate and 2-digit divisor, and someone told me that using 1 digit was faster because of the division. Then, I began to use a 1 digit estimate (I didn't know it was possible to use 2 digit estimate and 1 digit divisor. How do you do the carries?

10 June, 2018 - 15:42
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I suggest you read this Yahoo MC group post from Willem Bouman in 2008. It's about this "general method" which I described, and it has already been explained many times in the MC group. In that post, Willem wrote that Jan van Koningsveld, Gert Mittring and Robert Fountain taught this method to him. This method is also included in Jan & Robert's book called The Mental Calculator's Handbook.

10 June, 2018 - 16:19
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