A fixed person in each locus for easy association

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#1 27 June, 2018 - 11:49
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A fixed person in each locus for easy association


I am a beginner, training with 30 images in memory league. I am using a house as the memory palace.

An interesting observation: Some of the rooms/loci in the house *automatically* remind me of specific family members. The images I place in those loci tend to "stick" better if I associate them with the *persons* linked to the loci. In other words, the person+location combination serves as the locus, and it is much easier to associate the image-to-be-remembered with the "person" part of the locus.

In a way, this reinforces what Dominic O'Brien recommends: to choose *persons* to represent numbers, instead of inanimate objects.

Comments welcome.

28 June, 2018 - 16:29
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I find this intriguing. I use empty memory palaces for cards and numbers, but memory palaces I have for permanent information in them for words and images. In my main memory palace, along with other stuff, I have my Dominic System people. Often when I get a word or image to memorise, I will link them to the people. It is why I find the Dominic System works better for me than the Major System. I like people doing things.

Lynne

2 July, 2018 - 09:11
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A memory palace fixed with Dominic System people -- that is a nice idea, to have at least 100 ready-made people to hold non-animate objects. Thanks for sharing!

3 July, 2018 - 06:58
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I find having my Dominic System people in a memory palace enables me to scan it if I can't recall a Person, Action or Object in Numbers events. I can usually pick up who I have lost.

3 July, 2018 - 13:18
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I think it depends on what you want to memorize. Of course if I want to memorize numbers, I won't have a palace where my people of the Dominic System are in a fixed position because I would probably confuse something (especially when trying to go fast). That might not apply to everyone, because I use memory palaces mainly to memorize the law. So I need to know the numbers of the §§ or Articles as well as the information that they contain. So I have the advantage there that the people from my Dominic Sytem instantly give me the §§/Articles and they interact with the additional information I want to have there.

I have a specific palace with 100 loci where I only store my people/actions/objects, but I don't use that palace for anything else. It's just some kind of "backup" just in case I'd forget one of my people etc.

I've heard that some people do use a locus with a fixed person in it to memorize words. So the person would interact with the things you'd like to memorize. I personally would use different people than the ones in my Dominic System. I'll try to make some new journeys for words on Memory League and put 25 completely new people in them (I always memorize 2 words in one locus). The people will probably be some people from tv series. For example I have Mr. T (B.A. Baracus from the A-Team) as my number 21 in the Dominic System. But I have not used the other characters from the A-Team, so I have at least 4 or 5 more people to use there without the risk of confusion. I think the people could really be an advantage to memorize words and other things.

For images on Memory League I don't need people to be in the loci, though. I let 2 pictures interact with eachother to make them more memorable. The first is more active or just on top, the second passive or below, so I don't switch the 2 that are in the same locus. So if the first picture is a dog and the second is a boat: I picture the dog lying on top of the boat. If it were the other way around: The boat crashes into the dog. With that technique I usually manage to memorize the 30 images in around 15-17 seconds.

In conclusion: Yes, people make things more memorable for me, too. :D

9 July, 2018 - 07:17
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I guess Lynne’s method (memory palace with Dominic System people for images) and Simon’s peg system (https://artofmemory.com/forums/images#comment-31406) could be combined to do away with the memory palace: just the Dominic System people (and perhaps their actions) serving as pegs to hold the images. I am still working out my 00-99 people-action list, and will try this approach once the list is ready.

Silvio B. wrote:
> Of course if I want to memorize numbers,
> I won't have a palace where my people of the Dominic System are
> in a fixed position because I would probably confuse something
> (especially when trying to go fast).

Agreed.

> For images on Memory League I don't need people to be in the loci, though.

I also observe that certain loci have “character,” and can hold images well. Certain “unvisited-in-real-life” loci enlisted only for the purpose of memory palace don’t hold the images as well. Perhaps it is just a weakness in my memory palace, and I should do away with such loci.

10 July, 2018 - 06:36
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There is one mansion with many rooms that I have used many times to memorize various things. Most of the images are gone. But once I used it to memorize a list of people, and they are still there, and not just "ghost", but quite alive. In a sense they became part of the room. Even if I use the same house to memorize something else, these people will appear there.
Just now, reading this post, I realized that it would be more effective for memorization if I include them in the image of the new things I want to memorize using that house.

13 July, 2018 - 22:34
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> Certain “unvisited-in-real-life” loci enlisted only for the
> purpose of memory palace don’t hold the images as well.

I fixed persons in those loci, and the loci have grown stronger.

24 July, 2018 - 23:07
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What a fascinating conversation. Thank you everyone. I am rethinking things yet again!

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