Mnemonics in card games?

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#1 14 September, 2016 - 04:32
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Mnemonics in card games?


Here's what I'd like to be able to do in a card game using mnemonics:
1. Memorize all of the cards that have come up in a card game in no particular order
2. Memorize as fast as cards appear in the game
3. Be able to repeat this over and over for subsequent games using the same deck

Here's what I can probably do after practicing speed cards:
1. Memorise all of cards that have come up in a single card game in a specific order
2. Memorize as fast as the cards appear in the game (if the game is kinda slow)
3. Do this maybe once or twice before I run out of journeys to use to memorise decks

So how do I actually do something useful with mnemonics?

14 September, 2016 - 08:50
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Here's what I can probably do after practicing speed cards:
1. Memorise all of cards that have come up in a single card game in a specific order
2. Memorize as fast as the cards appear in the game (if the game is kinda slow)
3. Do this maybe once or twice before I run out of journeys to use to memorise decks

1. Why only in a specific order? Yea sure, the cards appear in a certain order when memorizing them, and you put them on loci that you listed in an order, but as soon as you put them there, you can easily see which ones are in it. So, in a cardgame where you are using one deck of cards, there should be no problem. After all, every card that has been played, you can find in your journey so far. Want to know which cards have yet to be played? Just look at which ones you don't have in your palace yet. Where is the problem here?

2. Currently many people are doing it in a minute. Now, I don't know how you play card games, but when I do, I easily have time to memorize every card that comes by even though I need 2 seconds per card on average. Ther even are people who can do it in 20 seconds, that is less than half a second per card... I have yet to see card games that are that fast. Want a way to get to skip all the practice? tough luck. The majority of time goes into recalling the image for the card and putting that image into your memory palace. Practice is the only way to make that faster.

3. Make. More. Journeys.
Seriously, if you want to do it many times, prepare for doing it many times. I got 15 journeys for speed cards alone. Over 100 journeys that I could use for it in total. Either that, or learn pegging/linking, you can place a lot more images on one spot.

I do have one question for you. Have you actually went and practiced speedcards until you can memorize each card within 5 second, then play a card game and see how it works out?

Too many people are so focussed on wanting to do something "useful", that they ignore all the "useless" stuff that helps them move towards a good base set of skills that can be used for "useful" stuff. Sure you can go right to the "useful" stuff, but that tends to be running before you learn to walk, as the things most people call useful are the ones that require you to be able to use multiple basic skills smoothly.

14 September, 2016 - 09:03
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Hey, thanks for the fast reply

You're right about being able to check the journey for cards you've seen, I do that a lot when there are 1-2 cards I can't remember in a specific locus etc.
What I meant to say is that there has to be a more efficient way, since you're also putting effort into memorising the order
Maybe chucking all the images into one palace with no clear order?

Yes, my card deck memory time is at 02:16 right now so I should be around a card every 1.3 seconds but it takes concentration whereas you need to think about your move in a game

I'll just make more journeys and try using mnemonics in an actual game next time, thanks

14 September, 2016 - 10:38
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An update on what I've tried so far:
I googled a method for memorising cards that have been in play and found some article which suggested burning the images, then freezing them and so on.

Since two of my images themselves are associated with fire and ice I went for melting my images with acid instead. I went through 26 random cards, and without paying attention to the order or associating any of them with loci I managed to memorise 24/26 cards that I'd melted in 01:10

The downsides were:
1. Not perfect recall (first attempt though). This is probably because having an image floating around in empty space is much harder to recall than an image associated with and interacting with a specific location
2. Slow recall since my major system images aren't in any categories and going through a list of 52 random images takes longer than going through a sequence of loci

However, in an actual game I wouldn't need to go through all the cards. I'd just check if a specific card I'm worried about has been melted or not

Think I'll practice this more
Having categorised images instead of major system images could be useful someday though, maybe

14 September, 2016 - 22:30
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You're right about being able to check the journey for cards you've seen, I do that a lot when there are 1-2 cards I can't remember in a specific locus etc.
What I meant to say is that there has to be a more efficient way, since you're also putting effort into memorising the order
Maybe chucking all the images into one palace with no clear order?

What harm does the order do? It shouldn't be more effort in either memorising or recalling, it should just happen. You pass the loci one by one and put an image at it when the card is played, you should never have to pay attention to the order of the played cards, it should just be happening naturally. If anything, it should be less effort in the recall.

15 September, 2016 - 06:36
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It limits me because I'm just lazy and find it hard to create new journeys

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